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Poster: truckinmann Date: Jan 19, 2007 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Super conservative, give me a 1 on most subjects. extremely pro life! This also means I'm against the death penalty which isn't a conservative point of view. Music wise I've been a dead head since the early 70s. I also like classical music, bluegrass,and hearing a good church choir sing.On fiscal issues I'm extreme conservative all the way. I'm all for taking the fight to the terrorists rather than just sitting on our butts and twiddling our thumbs.

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Poster: Olo Date: Jan 19, 2007 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Legalize dope.
Now!

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jan 19, 2007 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

http://www.taxpayer.net/drugreform/intro.htm

Seriously.. I swear, this is not the country for me...

I know there are -huge- advantages to living here, but the disadvantages that don't seem to be occurring in other european countries, really make me feel that I'd be better suited there..

Think I'll move to Ireland... or switzerland where healthcare is free, something they could have been closer to achieving in america if they weren't spending it on trying to stop mariuana trafficking and people smoking it. Do you guys have any idea how serious the laws are in some states for minor crimes regarding marijuana, like possession? Especially in nevada... in california they are pretty gnarly.. southern california at least.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Max, how can you on one hand urge everyone to vote Libertarian ( NO GOVERNMENT ) then on the other say you want FREE healthcare? That is a complete contradiction.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2007 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Max is a little to young to understand the complexities of pretty much how things work. If he wants free health care like they have in Switz. or other countries where they provide it, he should visit there first to see what kind of care they are actually provide (or atleast read about it) It sucks.

Liberal papers provide as much truth as the right wing propoganda. I'n not quite sure Max gets that - as I didn't when i was a child. When he hits the real tax paying, job sucking, child rearing world, he'll "get it."

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 19, 2007 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Well I'm not 100% sure their Healthcare IS worse than ours anymore at least as far as what we can afford. These suckass insurance companies keep raising their premiums and cutting what they'll cover." I don't care if your States leading specialist has FINALLY found a cure for your sons chronic illnesses, there's no generic so we are going to make you jump through hoops" happened to me and I was pissed! These fucking beancounters are practicing medicine over Doctors? F THAT! And don't for a minute feel sorry for those pricks with all their whining about frivolous lawsuits because they are making BANK.

I hear you with respect to Max. No offense Max, but I used to be an idealist too until I moved out of my parents house into the real world

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2007 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

i do understand what you are saying and your aggravations. But, those countries who DO have free healthcare can be like having a gulag dentist working on a political prisoner. no joke from personal testimonies. i realize that is not the case 100% all of the time. However, we do have the best health care system in the world even though it is FAR from perfect.

I certainly though don't want free health care for ALL!! Not on my dime. I work too hard for every deadbeat in my town, city, and state and live off my back and have my paycheck pay for their every whim while they sit back and watch their 46" HD tv (paid for by the state) while i work all day. and if you think i am joking - come visit Massachusetts - the land of the Gimme Girls. If you are Fat, Lazy, Immigrant, Unmarriend/Pregant, or Addicted - you got a free ride my friend. If you are like me and you - go fuck yourself - work, pay your taxes and watch what happens with your money..... makes me sick.... and now i have a liberal democratic governor...... maybe Max does indeed have the right idea

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Poster: mcglone Date: Jan 19, 2007 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

dire are you around to 'chat' off forum? 9:35pm

ian

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2007 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

yup - just checked in - see you in 2 minutes

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 20, 2007 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Come on Ian. How about enlightening us on the quality of your healthcare?Seriously, I've only been out of the U.S. once to Mexico. Everybody talks horror stories about " socialized medicine" and yet I see it getting worse and worse here as far as being able to get the insurance companies to cover anything

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jan 19, 2007 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

a 100. repub-conservs must rot in hell. I'm dead serious.

okay maybe not serious, but seriously, screw the right wing.


Vote Libertarian! It -IS- America's third largest political party!


Did you know michael badnarik was barred out from the presidential debates? He even met the requirements to be involved in the presidential debates, but they arreted him and drove him around in a police car for a few hours. All the overboard capitalists (not that capitalism is bad.. but its turned pretty goddamn corrupt it seems) know that if libertarianism came into place and free trade was put into place too that theyd be obliterated.

archive.org knows it's shit..

when i type his name in google, the second page that comes up is:

http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik

but seriously, vote libertarian. Republican = Democrat, they both want to expand federal government. Shouldnt WE have the power? If our founding fathers were alive today, they would shit their pants. They were anti federalists, and today we are giving more power to them than ever before. People don't even speak out nowadays... it's supposed to be US who controls our government, not our gov controlling us!

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Meh. Thought better of it.

This post was modified by elkdog on 2007-01-19 23:54:36

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 19, 2007 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I'm sure I'm going to regret opening this can of worms...While I agree completey that our fouders would "shit their pants" at many aspects of modern America, your blanket statement that "they were anti federalists" is just flat out not true. The degree to which each supported the concept of federalism varied from one man to the next.

From Wikipedia (they have a lot of great stuff on the concept of Federalism and the Federalist Pepers if you are interested)

Before the U.S. Constitution was written, each American is state was essentially sovereign. The U.S. Constitution created a federal government with sufficient powers to both represent and unite the states, but did not supplant state governments. This federal arrangement, by which the central federal government exercises delegated power over some issues and the state governments exercise power over other issues, is one of the basic characteristics of the U.S. Constitution that checks governmental power. Other such characteristics are the separation of powers among the three branches of government--the legislative, executive, and judicial. The authors of the Federalist Papers (Hamilton, Madison and Jay) explained in essays number 45 and 46 how they expected state governments to exercise checks and balances on the national government to maintain limited government over time.
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The Federalist Papers (specifically Federalist No. 84) are remarkable for their opposition to what later became the United States Bill of Rights. The idea of adding a bill of rights to the constitution was originally controversial because the constitution, as written, did not specifically enumerate or protect the rights of the people. Alexander Hamilton, the author of Federalist No. 84, feared that such an enumeration, once written down explicitly, would later be interpreted as a list of the only rights that people had.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Jan 19, 2007 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I was going to say this as well. Libertarians take the best ideas of the Republicans and the best ideas of the Democrats and put them together. I agree with their ideas of free trade with little government interaction, limited government, protection of propert rights, right to bear arms, abolition of laws against victimless crimes (prostitution, drugs, etc.), tax reduction, privatization of Social Security, and most of their other beliefs.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Yeah, and then they ( libertarians ) trump out a bunch of dipshits with NO chance of winning, and no ability to compromise. I'll save the revolution crap for the youth. I don't really see the point when most people have NO respect for real freedom. I grew up assuming it was my right as an individual to question all authority. Now most people I meet are either too stupid or too lazy to realize that's their right. After 9-11 people got even worse with the love it or leave it crap.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 19, 2007 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

;)

I'm usually somewhere around 14 or 15 on this scale...

I do lean toward the Libertarian/Green parties, but anymore I have to vote for the 2nd choice as opposed to True Evil!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2007 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

libertarians = no political capital = no chance of winning = not a true democracy (to a certain extent - but that of course if because not enough of us DONT VOTE!!!!!!)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Aptly named - you are indeed on the spot.

Habeas corpus - who needs it?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 19, 2007 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

With all due repsect young grasshopper, how old are you? Not a slam against age but trust me the older you get the more likely you are to change any extreme views you hold now.